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sibi1972
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Apr-19-08, 08:06 PM (EST)
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"TS Blades"
 
   Sure wish they made TS blades in different widths. A handful of 1/4" to 1/2" sure would be great.

Stack a dado set, re-set the shims, is it assembled correct - imagine just grabbing a 3/8" TS blade and just making the cut? That would be sweet.

"Red"


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: TS Blades beamerweb Apr-19-08 1
     RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-19-08 2
  RE: TS Blades rrich Apr-19-08 3
     RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-20-08 4
         RE: TS Blades Sachbvn Apr-20-08 5
  RE: TS Blades deepsplinter Apr-20-08 6
     RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-20-08 7
     RE: TS Blades brownkm52 Apr-20-08 8
         RE: TS Blades Sonny Edmonds Apr-20-08 9
             RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-21-08 10
                 RE: TS Blades Sonny Edmonds Apr-21-08 11
  RE: TS Blades dbriski Apr-21-08 12
     RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-21-08 13
         RE: TS Blades beamerweb Apr-21-08 14
             RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-21-08 17
                 RE: TS Blades beamerweb Apr-21-08 18
     RE: TS Blades brburns Apr-21-08 15
         RE: TS Blades beamerweb Apr-21-08 16
             RE: TS Blades Sonny Edmonds Apr-21-08 19
  RE: TS Blades rrich Apr-22-08 20
     RE: TS Blades sibi1972 Apr-22-08 21
  RE: TS Blades Rick L Apr-22-08 22
     RE: TS Blades woodtaco Apr-22-08 23

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beamerweb
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Apr-19-08, 08:37 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: TS Blades"
In response to message #0
 
   Sound good at first ... but ... most of the reasons I need a fat cut is for plywood - which is never the same size, even within a given sheet sometimes. It'd just be the same story at that point, unfortunately.

One thing folks do for stack dados is they put together the dado in each configurable size without shims and cut a "gauge block". then they stick whatever they're trying to cut a groove for into the appropriate slot to know which blades to stack together for that size cut. There was some kind of trick to how they figure how many shims they'd need for between-sized pieces ... i forget what that is.

I don't use a dado head myself, i tend to route all my grooves in multiple passes. Completely a matter of preference for me, though. With an incra on the router table, I can get dead-nuts-on every single time - it just takes a few passes to do it. for me, that works well enough

Jason Beam
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sibi1972
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Apr-19-08, 09:36 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: TS Blades"
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   I do all grooves and dadoes with a hand held router or the one in the table as well and have no problem doing things that way.

For the times where it would be easier to get repeat cuts with the speed of cutting with the TS is what I'm talking about. The TS just cuts faster/easier.

"Red"


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rrich
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3. "RE: TS Blades"
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   Red,
Why not use a 1/4" (the two outside blades) dado and adjust the fence as needed for subsequent cuts to achieve the desired width?

Rich
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sibi1972
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4. "RE: TS Blades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-08 AT 00:24 AM (EST)
 
Rich,

That's what I'm talking about, not having to to do that. Just wishful thinking on my part I guess. If they did make TS blades that way, the work arounds wouldn't be necessary. It's like cutting 2 times with a 1/4" router bit or just buying a 1/2" bit which eliminates the second pass and insures a .500 cut. But no one makes a 1/2" TS blade and I'm thinking it's too bad they don't.

"Red"


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5. "RE: TS Blades"
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   I hear ya Red - I haven't even begin to purchase and play with a dado set - but buying a 1/4" blade would be awfully sweet. They may even make one (I have no idea) but I have only found 1/8" or within a smigin of that. No I couldn't want every blade size possible, but I would keep a 1/4" around in addition to my 1/8"


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6. "RE: TS Blades"
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I have eight table saws that I keep various dado set-ups in. Kinda like some guys and their routers.

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sibi1972
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7. "RE: TS Blades"
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   Eight table saws, I'm lucky to have room for the one I have. But I see your point, that would solve the set up problem.

"Red"


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8. "RE: TS Blades"
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8 tablesaws? You're kidding right?

If not, you have exceeded the safe tablesaw level in your shop, and you are reguired to send at least one to me!


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9. "RE: TS Blades"
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Nope, he's not kidding.
He has them on a carousel so he can just dial a dado, and the correct table saw comes and stops right there.
It's amazing!

Sonny Edmonds
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sibi1972
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10. "RE: TS Blades"
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   That is amazing!!

But it wouldn't be as amazing as TS blades in different widths.

"Red"


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11. "RE: TS Blades"
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Them's are called a stacked dado, do-do.
Now it would be easy enough to have two outter plates perminantly silflossed (Silver soldered), or even spot welded, together for your 1/4" wide blade, or two side plates and a middle chipper for your 3/8".
Next, find somebody who will sharpen the thang....

But then, you'd have to find perfect plywood to fit your perfect dado slot.
Good luck with that!

(Incidently, Furniture grade hardwood plywood is usually true to diamention. As well as MDF and press wood sheets (particleboard).
Take your verneer calipers with you to the store. <Hot tip< )

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dbriski
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12. "RE: TS Blades"
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   I have never had a problem with my dado blade and setting up 1/8" increments, 3/8" 1/2" 5/8" Just count the number of blades (most are 1/8" (you might have one 3/32" and one 5/16") and stick them in. Then again, I never have exactly 1/8" increments. Its getting the size of you dado just right for the thickness of the matching part. For me usually ply or MDF, which don't come in exact 1/8" increments, so you gotta use one of your 3/32 or 5/16" blads and a bunch of shims. Takes me 2-3 tries to get just the right fit.

What happends now when you buy a 1/2" or 3/8" blade and you use it for ply, Dado is too big.

Now the one problem I have with my dado blade is 1/4" ply. If you use 2 outer blades for 1/4" the dado is too loose (drawer bottoms). It would be nice to have an outer blade that was 3/32 or 5/16". So you always have to make the drawer bottom groves in two passes. That stinks when making a few banks of drawers ( 12 drawers, 4 pieces, 48 boards to dado, wish I could do it in one pass).

David

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sibi1972
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13. "RE: TS Blades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-08 AT 12:18 PM (EST)
 
Your making my point. They make router bits in 1/8" and 1/16" increments on the small sizes and bits to match 1/4" 1/2" and 3/4" ply and that's the handful of TS blades I'll love to see.

That's WHAT I'm sayin' all along.

"Red"


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beamerweb
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14. "RE: TS Blades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-08 AT 12:57 PM (EST)
 
I think the point some of us were trying to make is that a specially sized saw blade don't solve the problem all the time. They could go ahead and make 'em. You could go ahead and buy 'em. But they won't always fit the application. 1/4" plywood is just a ballpark, nobody makes it the same - few make it actually 1/4" - and it gets even more variable the thicker you go.

It sounds like a nice idea. But it's not practical for exactly the same reason those "plywood-sized" router bits aren't practical, either.

Now, on the other hand, if you actually did have a need for only 1/4" sized grooves or exactly 3/8" or 1/2" dados, I'm with you. Solid wood shelves or accurately sized ply would fit in these slots just fine and I think that's where the idea has merit. But in this case, I don't think there's enough of a market to support the product.

There's a Frued set out there that is two blades with offset teeth. In one configuration they make perfect 1/4" cuts and in another, they make perfect 3/8" cuts. Just by flippin' the two blades around one another. This is pretty close to what you're after, and the application makes perfect sense here. They tout it as a box-joint blade. This makes good sense because the task is not dependent on matching random thickness materials.

Jason Beam
Sacramento, CA

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sibi1972
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17. "RE: TS Blades"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-08 AT 03:16 PM (EST)
 
Granted.

I know I have a shop full of tools just to be able to cut and shape wood the way I want.

No single tool does it all. Work arounds abound, it's what we do to solve problems.

Some around here wouldn't have a TS while others might trade in their planer for a few hand planes.

It's just how it is. I don't have or want a lathe and no one is forced into buying anything they don't see utility in.

For me though, TS blades in different widths would come in handy. Would they solve all of my groove and dado needs? No, I don't think so. There is no ONE tool or bit that would.

Just wishing out loud for another piece of hardware is all.

Jason, I GET IT. You wouldn't buy any of these if available. That's Ok with me. GOT IT??

"Red"


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Apr-21-08, 03:49 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: TS Blades"
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   >Jason, I GET IT. You wouldn't buy any of these if available.
>That's Ok with me. GOT IT??


Got it.

Glad you think you do, too

Jason Beam
Sacramento, CA

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15. "RE: TS Blades"
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   I got it! Each peice of sheet goods should be sold with a blade exactly the same width as the thickenss of the board. That way every sheet has a presision ground blade to match it.

Ben


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16. "RE: TS Blades"
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   Excellent Idea!

Jason Beam
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