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Bigbuck
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"Counter Top: how would you make it? "Update: I made it""
 
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Hello, a friend asked me to build a wooden counter top for him. It will be about 26" wide, 11 feet long and 1-2" thick. It will also have a cutout for a sink. He plans on using the top for light duty work in his garage(i.e. soldering projects, cleaning parts, cleaning game animals, and some carpentry).

So how would you go about making it? What wood would you use?
Also material must be under 300.

I was leaning toward edge jointing some 11ft long 8/4 oak, maple or hickory depending on the price of the wood locally.

Thanks Glenn

Update: I just finished it, thanks for the advise.

Well due to all the advise given my frind used had a formica counter top commercially installed for the majority of the counter surface. However his client "the person having the house built" insisted on having a portion of the counter top made from solid maple.

I ended up using 8/4 hard maple laid on edge and then glued together. I started by riping strips 1.75" wide and gluing them together in sets of three. I then ran each set over the jointer and through the planer until they were just a hair over 1.5" thick and then I glued them all together. Even with cauls there was a little slippage but it the majority of it was "easily" cleaned up with the belt sander. A widbelt drum sander would be nice. I finished it with 6 coats of hand rubbed tung oil. Final dimensions were 38" by 25 1/2" by 1 1/2".

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  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? beamerweb May-28-08 1
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? TDHofstetter May-28-08 2
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? cabinetman May-29-08 5
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? Sachbvn May-29-08 3
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? dvelleux Jun-09-08 13
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? cabinetman Jun-10-08 14
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? rebelwork Jun-12-08 15
  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? arcticfox46 May-29-08 4
  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? Mark F May-29-08 6
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? Bigbuck May-29-08 7
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? arcticfox46 May-30-08 8
             RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? TDHofstetter May-30-08 9
                 RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? arcticfox46 May-30-08 10
                     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? TDHofstetter May-30-08 11
  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? JBark May-30-08 12
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? Sonny Edmonds Jun-15-08 18
  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? Jim_J Lazy 3 Jun-14-08 16
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? cabinetman Jun-15-08 17
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? woodtaco Jun-15-08 19
             RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? maxwell_smart007 Jun-15-08 20
  RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? "Update: I made it" DougB Aug-06-08 21
     RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? "Update: I made it" Bigbuck Aug-06-08 22
         RE: Counter Top: how would you make it? "Update: I made it" DougB Aug-06-08 23

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beamerweb
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1. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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   if you can get that much 8/4 maple for under $300 - i'm gonna make you adopt me!

Personally, I'd lose the wood idea - cleaning game is messy work and it'll just beg for bacteria and other goodies. I'd suggest going with particle board or MDF and laminate it with Formica. That'd at least give you a surface that can be relatively cleaned.

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TDHofstetter
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2. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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Exactly my thoughts. Two layers thick would bring it to 1-1/2" and make it not only heavy as the dickens but also really crazy rigid.

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5. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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I would also go for two layers of 3/4" composite board of some type and overlap the front to back joints. You can get Formica in 1/16" thickness 12' long. You might be able to get a 3' x 12' which would be better than paying for a 4'x 12'. I would edgeband the front and ends with the laminate, which would make cleaning easy. Cross underbracing at 2'OC would provide good support.


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3. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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I third this motion - I know a hardwood counter would be nice and pretty but if cleaning parts and what not is what it will be used for - sounds like he needs a workhorse that can take a beating. I would also go with the MDF with a covering.


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13. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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   Folks,

>Personally, I'd lose the wood idea - cleaning game is messy
>work and it'll just beg for bacteria and other goodies. I'd
>suggest going with particle board or MDF and laminate it
>with Formica. That'd at least give you a surface that can be
>relatively cleaned.

- WHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! PB or MDF? NO WAY, JOSE!!!
- Make the counter from ACX plywood veneered with a laminate. PB or MDF will NOT hold up long, especially with all the constant water infiltration from cleaning up after butchering game. Using ANYTHING other than some form of plywood for the substrate of a laminate counter is just asking for trouble...


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14. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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>Folks,

>>Personally, I'd lose the wood idea - cleaning game is messy
>>work and it'll just beg for bacteria and other goodies. I'd
>>suggest going with particle board or MDF and laminate it
>>with Formica. That'd at least give you a surface that can be
>>relatively cleaned.
>
>- WHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! PB or MDF? NO
>WAY, JOSE!!!
>- Make the counter from ACX plywood veneered with a
>laminate. PB or MDF will NOT hold up long, especially with
>all the constant water infiltration from cleaning up after
>butchering game. Using ANYTHING other than some form of
>plywood for the substrate of a laminate counter is just
>asking for trouble...


David

I hate to disagree with you, but composites, like MDF and PB properly laminated on the edges and top make very good surfaces. The underside should also be sealed for this particular application, near the edges to protect from any moisture that would drip.

Physically speaking, the impact resistance of high pressure laminate depends on what substrate it is laminated to. Particle board and MDF are more dense (harder) and uniform, and IMO would provide a good substrate.

I'm not disavowing my allegiance to using plywood, as material selection is a case by case decision.



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15. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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"- WHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! PB or MDF? NO WAY, JOSE!!!
- Make the counter from ACX plywood veneered with a laminate. PB or MDF will NOT hold up long, especially with all the constant water infiltration from cleaning up after butchering game. Using ANYTHING other than some form of plywood for the substrate of a laminate counter is just asking for trouble..."

Been done this way for years without a problem.....Rebel

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arcticfox46
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4. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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Cleaning game animals? I would not make it out of maple.

11 feet long by 24 inches wide by 2 inches thick - is about 88 board feet. Wood price varies WIDELY across the country but round here Maple is about 8.00 a board foot. Simply calculation means that's about $705.00

Soo - out with at least that kind of wood.

I would make a sort of torsion box construction box top. VERY VERY strong and stable. I would make a formica top and trim it out with Ash. This top is going to be just over 2-5/8 thick and VERY VERY heavy and SOLID. Throw a moose up there if you want.

If you want a pic of this bench let me know and I will post it.

FOR an 8' bench top: (if you want a 12' bench, modify as needed)
**This is just the top – not the cabinet**

4 Lowes FIR 2x4’s @ 2.50 ea =========================== $10.00
1 Sheet of ¾ sanded one side pine ply @ $40.00 ------===$40.00
1 Sheet of 3/8 sanded one side pine ply @ $40.00 -----==$40.00
box of 1-1/4 screws ----------------------------------===$6.00
box of 1-5/8 screws ----------------------------------===$6.00
Box 0f 4” screws -------------------------------------===$6.00
Glue -------------------------------------------------===$6.00
1x4x12 Ash @ $5.00 bd/ft -----------------------------==$20.00
1 4x8 sheet of formica -------------------------------==$50.00

Total cost is about $185 - $200

Should be able to make this in a full 2 day weekend

1) Get the best Lowes "FIR" 2x4's you can get. 4-5 of them
2) Cut 2 of them into 24" long pieces
3) Face joint them
4) Edge joint one edge - true to jointed face
5) Plane all pieces to thickness
6) Rip all pieces to uniform width
7) Miter the two long pieces so that they are exact same size - and to 94"
8) Miter two short pieces so they are exact same size - and to 23"
9) Lay the 4 pieces on a flat surface (like a picture frame) - shim of brace as needed.
10) "Clearance drill" and counter sink and holes in each corner for 4" long screws.
11) GLUE - GLUE and screw the 4 corners together. Make sure everything stays flat.
12) Check diagonals.
13) Cut a 3/8 thick sanded one side plywood to exact size of frame.
14) GLUE - GLUE and screw to bottom of frame with 1-1/4 sheet rock screws
14) Cut (FIT) short 2x4's to fit at desired intervals (24" or so)(fit around sink opening area)
15) GLUE- GLUE and screw through the 3/8 plywood --- AND --- with 4" screw through fornt and back edges.
16) Cut a 3/4 sanded one side plywood top.
17) GLUE - GLUE and screw top to frame with 1-5/8 sheet rock screws
18) Trim edges on table saw - or circular saw IF needed.
19) Trim with Ash and be sure to be flush - top and bottom.
20) Random Orpital sand the top to make edges flush and ply smooth
21) Apply laminate top
22) Chamfer all around top front and side edges.
23) I like to corner round bottom edge.
24) When attaching to base – make base so that there is 2” minimum overhang all around. This will allow for real nice clamping surface.

Caution:

If you decide to make this top – be forwarned – it is very very heavy and awkward to move around. Ask for help when moving it.

Leo

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Mark F
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6. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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If you really don't want formica, how about a top of 1.5 inch ply or mdf or whatever and then cover it hardwood flooring. You can get utility 3/4 inch maple flooring at lumber liquidators for .89 per square foot. Sand it with a flooring sander and then edge band it with some ripped down maple flooring. You may have to buy a bunch of extra so you can throw out the bad stuff but you should be able to do it for under 300.

I plan on trying this in my garage or laundry room at some point, but haven't got to it yet.

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Bigbuck
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7. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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   Thanks, you all make a very good point. I will try to talk my friend into going with plywood and formica.

Hey Leo, how did you come up with 88 bf for 11'x 24" x 2"? The way I figured it that would be 44BF, did I miss something. For my estimates I used 12' X 26" X 2" and came up with 52 BF plus an additional 30% for wastage gives me 68 BF.

Jason, I was plesantly supprised the place I get my wood from has soft maple 8/4 #1 Common for 3.49 BF I figured it would have been a little higher myself. They didn't have any hard maple but it was about $5.

Thanks Guys


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8. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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yep - you're right

It's easy for me to make a mistake.

I think age has something to do with it.

Leo

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What were we talking about again? I've forgotten...

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10. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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I think we were taking about how to raise the posts in your barn.

Leo

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THAT was it!!!!

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12. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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   Well I would make it out of maple, for the animal dressing at least. Maple has been tested as one of the best surfaces for food prep there is. Exactly why it is used for so many professional food surfaces. I just don't see contaminating a dressing area with the gunk from the other work. Or will he be having an area for each?

My opinion,

John


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18. "RE: Counter Top: how would you make it?"
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I agree with John about the maple surface.
It has been proven in laboratory tests that wooden surfaces are self sterilizing when cleaned.
Whereas plastic surfaces, like cutting boards, actually promote the growth of bacterias (like salmonella).
And here is proof.

Michigan Maple Block Co.

Sonny Edmonds
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