View Full Version : Morse taper dilemma!!
04-18-2002, 01:10 AM
I have decided to get another adaptor for the headstock so I can use a morse taper drive center/spur center in it. I will have to have it held by my 4 jaw chuck as the spindle on this lathe is an L00. My question is: what size straight shank is the best? I can get a 1 1/2" or a 2" straight shank (morse taper on the inside) My idea is the bigger the better... :) The more mass for the chuck to bite down on the better???
04-18-2002, 02:41 AM
Marilyn I don't know what a Loo is but it seems cumberson to go from a chuck to an adaptor to a MT Spur drive. There ought to be a better way
As far as 1 1/2 vs 2, I would go 2" but would not hesitate if only 1 1/2" was available ,don't think that makes much difference.
04-18-2002, 05:00 AM
The type of spindle on the lathe I have (remember it is a metal working lathe) has an L "double 0" type of spindle. That is why I had to buy a special kind of chuck for it...it took me about 3 weeks to find it...got it from Texas as a matter of fact. It is not designed for a morse taper which is why I have to do all the other mickey mouse stuff. I agree, it is not the perfect set up but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. It is just taking a lot longer than I thought to get everything together. :(
04-18-2002, 06:18 AM
I take it John doesn't do lathe work...........it would seem to be a small endeavor to make those adaptors.I took a class while in colledge in metal lathe and found it quite easy after you trashed out a half a dozen or so proto types LOL
04-18-2002, 06:33 AM
Try giving a call to Packards (800 683-8876) or Craft supply (800-551-8876) and see what they would recomend. I am sure that you aren't the first to convert a metal lathe for woodturning. I just don't know a whole lot about metal lathes. Sorry.
"If it is worth doing, it's worth overdoing"
04-18-2002, 01:40 PM
I agree with Dick as to it making little difference as to a 1 1/2" or 2" adapt-a-kater. Just how damn strong DO you think that wood is?
Mass me arse! You best beware of the the dig in grunch who will take your tool, or break your stock, or both.
You'll learn. That is if you EVER mount a stick on the darn thing.
I'm growin cobwebs out here! Well not really. But your trailin pretty far kid.
You know, I mean for somebody who has all the money in the world and all.... :) (stir, stir, stir, stir, :P )
OK, I just talked to "Happy Hal" aka "Oscar the Grouch." (You better appricate this.) It ain't easy talking to Oscar...I mean Hal.
Hal has something nei 40 years with machining. Accurues vacation time at such an alarming rate he is forced to "use it or loose it" so he takes every other Friday off, just so he don't loose it. SHeese!
Anyway, he sez just get an adaptor and chuck it up in the lathes chuck.
He also sez you shouldn't be using a metal lathe to do woodworking.
"Yeah, I know Hal, it's gonna gum up the works." I said. "But it's what she has, and she's from Mizzery."
Which drew a look of discust from Happy Hal. He said to look in metal working machinery catalogs. That closed his comversation. I slunk away knowing he thought I was some kind of twisted soul for even suggesting he might know what a L double ought (L-00, NOT a damn Loo adaptor), adaptor for a turret lathe is.
Oscar... I mean Hal... is the kind of machinst that can make anything, and do it in such a way your 3 1/2 carret stone would look like a streamside rock on a stick.
But it was a blank.
So you'll have to get your terminoligy correct, (not standing lumber, timber), in the world you need to seek parts for your lathe conversion
(machinery, not particularly a Woodworking forum) to persue this need.
And to reitterate, for somebody with all the money in the world, you ought to buy the tooling for the job! By now you could have been coaching Lou with spindles.
So wipe away those tears, because I'm pulling your leg hard. I did go into hell itself and talk to Oscar.... I mean Hal, about it and there Ya have it.
Inch and a half or two inch? What fits it? Or did I miss something and this is a gender spicific question when I thought it had to do with non-anatomical parts? (quizacal look on my face)
Sometimes I wonder if your playing with us "Po Boys", or what the heck. :7
And you medical folks are strange! I go in about my physcotic nerve problem in my left leg and they check my prostrate. What the hell is up with that?
That's "exit only", who'd want to make a living doing that??? Talk about weirdo's!
Ain't nothing gone that way since I was a baby. And that was a thermometer.
But she was cute and had a sweet bedside manner, and small hands.
So what kind of wierdo's do you accociate with?
Oh, don't answer that, afterall your here on this forum reading this crapola.
I think I'll go cut some wood with a hacksaw.....:)
"Precision Firewood Specialist"
God Bless America !
04-18-2002, 06:40 PM
Marilyn: The diameter of the adapter will make no difference. My suggestion would be to just use the drive spur by turning off the taper so you can chuck it. Using an adapter will add excess length to the set up and could cause difficulties . How are you coming on the tool rest issue? I still haven't seen any pictures.
04-18-2002, 07:07 PM
Now thats a damn good idea DMSWood.............the best option so far and the one I would take.
04-19-2002, 09:57 PM
Man I hate it at work when you don't have enough time to use the facilities, much less the 'Net. So now I am off for the next three days but John is gone again...this time down to the lake house to put a weld on the ramp leading to the dock. Seems our winter was not kind on it. Bummer!
I guess the reason I had thought of the adaptor thing was that it was something I could do myself instead of having to get John to do it. He has been really busy of late with a new type of commitment at work. The tool rest is in the same boat so to speak, I know that it can be done but having him find time to do it is tough. My welding skills are nonexistant so that part is out. On the plus side, I did get the Sorby tools,a video and book, the Oneway live center and adaptor for it to fit in the turret. I DO have pictures, they are just in the camera with a bunch of others, waiting to go to the store. Sigh. I think I need a wife.
Sonny I am sure your old friend is a bastion of knowledge but this lathe is what I have to work with right now. I could buy another one but I don't want to give up on this one now. Is it possible that your friend may be of the old school that feels "it was always done this way.." I know, I am a bit disheartened at the slowness of the pace. But I don't want to stress John by asking more of him than he can do right now. So I get online and look and read what all of you are creating, and dream...:)
04-19-2002, 11:03 PM
quick question, What is on the tail piece now? To get started you don't need much more than a nail in a stick.
You can also just start with bowls using the oneway you have to hold a block.
You need the live center to do lots of nice long heavy spindals.
04-20-2002, 10:03 PM
I put a 1" adaptor in the turret (my tailstock is comprised of a six sided piece of metal that revolves) and the #2 morse taper Oneway will fit in that. The headstock is the part that has the 4 jaw independent chuck. John says he has to use a dial indicator to make sure that the piece I "chuck" in there is at the right angle so when it turns it turns straight and not crooked. If I have time this week I am going to take part of the tool clamp to a machinist shop here in town and see if they can weld something that I can use for a tool rest. I look at my Sorby's every day...:(
04-22-2002, 03:54 AM
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04-22-2002, 06:41 AM
That is the lathe I bought (used). It works pretty well, although I am pushing its limits. The price seems a little higher than I would expect. Let me know if there are any questions about this lathe.
"If it is worth doing, it's worth overdoing"
04-23-2002, 12:20 AM
Tease me by throwing out this other lathe! I really want to try to get this one to work and since John's trip to Mexico for 2 weeks is on hold right now(yippee)MAYBE I can get him to work on it this weekend. He needs to find his dial indicator first, then weld me a little tool rest. I have a block of wood all picked out and the tools are ready to go.
04-23-2002, 12:50 AM
...we wouldn't tease Ya.
You'll get there, but your sure getting a patience workout in the meantime.
Crap, it's hard on us waiting for you and Marc to get set up.
But it must be hell to be in your shoes!
At least Marc has got a wood lathe.
(He stated as he ducked and ran around back before Marilyn could give him a good (and well desirved) swift kick in the a$$.) :)
"Precision Firewood Specialist"
God Bless America !
04-23-2002, 01:44 AM
Have you noticed how I've stayed out of this one ?
That doesn't mean I don't luvya too.
I think it's pretty cool to have a dual purpose lathe, metal and wood.
I just hope that at the end of this it will still be able to function in one mode at least ...Tee Hee :)
How are you gonna sharpen them tools ?
04-24-2002, 01:13 AM
I figured with all the MONEY I have (right Dick?) when they get dull I'll just throw 'em away!! (sorta like somebodies router bits...)
Ok, perhaps a bit more seriously, right now John has an old grinder that was his dads and I have 2 water stones. Not the best way to go. I wouldn't mind getting that Tormek grinder and the extras with it but I need to first spend some time in the shop getting to actually use the stuff I already have. Right now I have been spending a lot of time doing spring landscaping stuff outside. My problem is I like to do a LOT of different things. And then there are those vacations :)
04-24-2002, 01:48 AM
Marilyn,do you have all the adaptors etc that you need to get functional? If you are going strictly for the spindle route are you not going to need a duplicator? Are duplicators adaptable to any lathe setup? Just how often do yuo think you will need to make spindles? I think you need to go ahead right now and get set up for turning to the fullest with all the bells and whistles.You could probably get a good beginner set up complete for about $2500....no step for a stepper with all the money...all kidding aside I hope you get up and running as your schedule permits and don't forget that face shield.
I am trying to get things lined up to get started myself but have a few stumbling blocks to get past first. http://wowjoke.com/gif/white/1332.gif
04-24-2002, 02:14 AM
Those stumbling blocks....you gonna turn em into bowls huh!
04-24-2002, 03:15 AM
Duane made a beautiful cradle without using a duplicator at all. He said he got to where he could make 4 spindles an hour. Nope, I don't know if a duplicator thingie exists for this lathe. But it has a tool clamp which is driven by a worm gear so duplicating something would be easier on it than with the other, I would imagine. I really don't have any big plans on things to do. I would like to make a nice bed with turned posts someday. A table would be cool too. I guess I am not sure how many bowls I could use around the house. Not too much of a "collection" type person, I collect art( mostly Native American Indian sculpture and Navajo rugs), some watercolours and oils.
I just ordered a book on woodcarving too. I guess I am hoping I will absorb the knowledge therin by osmosis.
Hopefully as I said, John will be able to work on the lathe a bit this weekend. I have several projects in the works down there that I need to finish too. Just to find the time...I don't know what is worse, no money or no time to do anything in :)
04-24-2002, 05:20 AM
http://wowjoke.com/gif/white/1332.gif We don't need any bowls either but I am totally engrossed in this turning Art Form. The creativity of it all is unlimited and the final objects are something to behold. I don't know if I will ever master this but I'm going to give it a whirl and see. If I do I will just give the objects away to friends and family...if some rich old "Blonde" comes along and wants me to turn her a special kind of platter then she better get her check book out up front cause I come with high price tag with all my experience in the ways of the world as applied to the final product.
04-25-2002, 12:35 AM
fortunetly I know you can't be talking about me with the "old" term you used... I agree the bowls are beautiful too.
04-25-2002, 02:54 AM
http://wowjoke.com/gif/white/1332.gif I might have been speaking about you because you are past the point of being able to be exchanged for two twenties.......hahahaha ROFLMAO "OLD LADY" LOLOLOL
Ooops time to hit the showers for the work trail