How many planes? chisels? saws?

[BigDaddy]

ok guys ... if'n ya think ya got it ...

lets make our list of our hand planes, chisels and saws here ...

New Stanley 60 1/2 block
Stanley 220 block (1880's)
Stanley 110 block (old, unkown date - don't remember)
Stanley Type 15 #3
Stanley Type 15 #4, Type 5 #4 (Missing parts)
Stanley Type 12 #5, Sweetheart #5, Type 15 #5
3 #6's - from Type 15 - Type 20
Stanley NIB Type 20 #7 (when i bought it)
Stanley Type 5 #8
Stanley Transitional #23
Stanley Rabbet Plane #50 NIB (when i bought it)
Defiance #4
Miller Falls #8

and a few other's in boxes with missing parts ...

Saws:
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Lee Valley: Dozuki, Flush Cut, Coping
Carpentry Back Saw, and small trim back saw
Disson saw (unkown #) .. - don't like western saws yet ..
Stanley Dovetail

Chisels:
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Marples Blue Chips, set of 5

[Sawduster]

Never bothered with the "Types" on my planes, but here goes,

Stanleys
#3, #4, #6, #7, #10 1/2, #12, #12 1/2, #60 1/2, #71 1/2, #75, #80,
And a Spokeshave I don't remember the number of and maybe some others that I can't think of right off hand.

Edit in: Some Stanley Transitionals

More Stanley Stuff,
Couple or three Morticing and marking Gauges, Several Sliding Bevels, Butt Hinge Marker, A #1 Level, Hand Brace, a couple eggbeater hand drills. Bunch of assorted socket chisels.

Other Manufacturers:
Bunch of assorted socket chisels, Complete in the box set of Irwin augers, other assorted auger bits, A #4 and #5 size bench plane from some unknown manufacturer, Whole bunch of other stuff that I only remember having when I see it.

Edit edit in: A no name scrub plane with a plate bolted to one side due to a crack that works wonderfully.

Disston
Sliding Bevel, 5 or 6 backsaws, Chitload of various crosscut, rip, and panel saws.

And some other stuff.

[rhull]

Jerry,
Do you find your 71 1/2 to be useful in a practical way? I've been debating as to whether or not getting one is worth the cash.

[WoodMangler]

I just have a couple... but they serve me well...

a 1905 Stanley #9, and a 1936 Stanley #5....

My old low angle went to a needier person about a year ago, and I am currently looking for another...

I think the hunt is as much fun as the find!

[Sawduster]

I had my doubts about the useability of the router plane and passed up a couple really good buys from a local antique mall. I finally broke down and got one, missing two of the three cutters, but including the fence. It can be used for hogging out a dado precut with a saw etc, but it is rough work doing so. It excells at cleaning out the bottoms of dados and grooves roughed out with chisels or a cheap (and some not so cheap) dado sets for a table saw.

I use mine quite a lot, and once I get around to ordering the other two cutters from Stanley will use it more for a lot of narrow grooves and dados.

I like the 70 1/2 without that mouth opening in the front, though a depth gauge would make it more useful, or at least easier to get matched depths between numerous workpieces.

[BigDaddy]

thanks for the pics sonny! will have to get mine piced soon ..

[Sonny Edmonds]

I've got more stuff, but that was what was handy in the hard drive right now.
Saw sets, saw vices, couple of spoke shaves, and stuff I have no idea what it was used for but it looks cool.
Heirlooms. :7

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[Sawduster]

Hey Sonny, nice c*llecti*n there. I do have an issue with the one labeled "Old D8". Either the pics are mixed up, or someone somewhere along the the way switched the tote on that one. The tote pictured is from a #12 or #112 (the swayback version of the 12). While the medallion on that one is from the period 1896 to 1917, the ethch is post 1928. I think it is a case of mixed pics as the hole patterns on the different models are different.

[Sawduster]

Forgot to mention the #78 and the #45. The #78 is a later model but I got it New In Box. The 45 I picked up a few pieces at a time, but it is pretty much complete except for the roundover stuff that were accessories and didn't come with the plane.

[CajunRider]

*CjR sits and reads the lists and turns green with envy*

I got 2 claw hammers, 1 straight edge, 2 squares, 1 old plane I picked up in a pawnshop, some old Craftman screw drivers, 3 BigLot chisels (chipped), 1 BigLot rip saw (old and dull), 1 Stanley miter saw (the low end one), and 1 of dem Japan pull saw for flush cut. Dat is it.

[Sawduster]

Well, Heck, let's get wiff da program. Get out dare to dem swaps and setch and start grabbin you onto some good old rusty arrn stuff.

[deathwish2]

Never enough!!

Planes -- I use several old 'Bailey'-style planes (Stanley, Millers Falls and Craftsman on the nameplates), a #3,4,5 and a 6c . . . plus I have a couple 'spares' that are not tuned up yet }>
Also, some 'little ones' of the Stanley 110, 60, 60-1/2 ilk, most regular, plus a low angle. I keep two 'regular' angle models sharp and ready to go, one set to take a thicker shaving than the other . . . since I find those are a little trickier to adjust the blade than the bailey types . . . maybe that's just me ;) .

Chisels -- Two 'sets' of them, plus some odds and ends. One set, a decent 5-piece Craftsman set, while scary-sharpened to a mirror finish, this is my 'utility' set. More for household type chores than woodworking. The other set, by Nooitgedagt (noyt-ga-dact) is an 8-piece 'plus'. I have four additional chisels over the 'standard' set that are destined to be ground to a different bevel . . . once I make up my mind whether they should be thicker or thinner than the 'primary' ones. I've also got a few odds & ends that i've picked up, socket chisels and such.

Saws -- I have not got into those too much yet, when I have the time I want to learn to sharpen them properly and learn more about the old Disston's . . . and then I'll get more. I only really have the basics, coping, a flush cutting reversible dovetailer, a back saw and a larger rip saw. I can say for sure I'll never give up my power saws though.

Other 'schtuff' -- I've got a couple marking gauges (old & modern), squares (ditto), and bevels (ditto ditto :P ), a nifty Miller's Falls saw set, plus some other miscellaneous vintage gear I've happened across along the way.

I only wish that I was 'handed down' more than I was. The one and only 'heirloom' piece I have that I have and use regularly is a socket chisel that came from my wife's family (from my F-I-L's tool box, but it was most likely his brother's, who was a furniture maker in Chelsea, Mass. in the middle of the last century) . . . I also have an older metal Stanley level that was my maternal grandfather's . . . but it's my paternal grandfather's (yep, the one quoted in my signature) tools I would have loved to get ahold of . . . but alas . . . what he didn't leave behind or sell off when he moved on to an elderly community, went to one of my father's younger brothers . . . I've still got my grandfather though . . . and that is inspiration enough to keep my interest in hand tools! :D

[pgeer]

Planes-
Stanley Wood-iron 22" plane, could be a type 28.
Stanley Type #4 Smoother
Stanley # 90 Low angle block plane with adjustable mouth.
One wooden hollow plane, maybe from a round and hollow set.
One wooden 3/4" wide rabeting plane.

Saws-
Two Disston saws one fairly new (about 15 years) and one old, rusty and need to be cleaned up. (looks like the one Jerry just picked up)
Stanley rip saw, Lumber yard verity.
Stanley flush trim saw, coping saw and some other small fine cutting saws.

Chisels-
Marples Blue Chips, set of 5
One unknown 1/8" wide mortising chisel. (Denmark)


Paul

[Randy Privett]

I sold my collection of planes last summer to a guy that had more money than since, but I have probably 60 to 70 Stanleys in different need of repair laying around. I've always had alot of planes that needed this or that. That's how I got started making totes and knobs. It will be a great winter project to add to the list.

Randy

[HotFlash]

Sonny, stop hogging all the bandwidth!!! This post takes forever to load :)

OK, now I've got that out of the way . . .

Millers Falls #8
Millers Falls #9
Millers Falls #14
Millers Falls #22
Millers Falls hand drill, and another one on the way from ebay
Stanley 5C (Sweetheart)
Stanley 191
Stanley 78 (complete)
Stanley 78 Sweetheart (parts missing)
Stanley 60 1/2
Stanley 220
a generic POC block plane that actually works pretty good now that I've learned to sharpen things
Fulton transitional plane
Preston bullnose rabbet plane
Stanley 12 1/2
Stanley #80 (Sweetheart)
Stanley 151
wooden coffin plane body that's waiting for an iron and a wedge :)
J.S. Fray Co corner brace
set of 6 Irwin auger bits (in original box)
set of 3 Marples chisels - 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2
3 newish Stanley chisels - 2 - 1/4" and a 1"
2 Steelcraft chisels - 1/2" and 1"
couple of mallets
cutting gauge
mortise gauge
couple of rosewood & brass squares
Stanley sliding T-bevel (Sweetheart)
Two Cherries dovetail saw
Dozuki saw

prob'ly a few other things I missed . . .

lots of Disston saws, I'll let Scott list those, those are his babies :)

Erin


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[RudeDog]

LOML is going to list our planes - she's kinda "in charge" of that area :)

I've really taken to the Disston saws. I've gotten about 10 of them just in the last 3 weeks that still need to be cleaned up. Got about 6-8 others that I will be cataloging here soon. Just been to busy cleaning them up between woodworking projects. And then this winter I want to set up a spare room inside that we have so I can learn to sharpen them. I have plenty to practice on :) Anyway, the best one I like so far is a D-100 with a thumb hole. It was the first one we picked up. We were browising an antique store and checked out there "bargain basement" where there just had stuff stacked around. We finally noticed a couple saws hanging on a beam - they were really in sad shape, but we liked the one with a thumb hole. It was the first one we had seen. It has really cleaned up nicely and is fairly sharp. As soon as I get my saw till built and filled (next spring?), I'll post a picture of my "collection" :) :) :)

[Sawduster]

First let me say that I related the info above and what follows to give a better understanding of the saws you have. These having been passed down to you from your grandfather and great grandfather make them priceless to you and nothing here should be taken as belittlement of the saws. Would that I had been handed down such tools.

Handsaws were the most expensive tool in the woodworker tradesman's tool inventory. As such, they were well cared for and completely used up before they were disposed of. Someone using one of these saws all day long becomes very used to particular aspects of the tool, such as the way the tote fits and feels in their hand. As with today, "stuff" happened in those days also. Totes got broke or a blade got kinked or whatever. Or maybe the blade simply got used up. In any case, I think it was probably pretty common, especially for folks in the trade, to salvage parts that were still useable from two or more worn out or broken saws to make one useable one. Or, perchance, the craftsman simply liked the feel of a handle from one saw model and switched it from his worn out older saw to the new one he bought. Saws that have survived intact fro that era are those that saw less than full use. Had they been used to the extent a practicing tradesman would have put them, they would have long ago been sharpened beyond usefulness.

All that being said:

The handle on the D-8 has definitely been changed. The D-8 was the basic workhorse saw from Disston had never had any carving on the handle as it came from the factory. It also had a "closed top" handle made by a non through cut with a circular saw to fit snuggly to the rounded profile of the top handle end of the blade.

The rounded cutout on the front of the hand hole on the handles along with the pattern of the carving identifies both totes as being from either a #12 or a D-12.

The medallions, other than some being of different sizes, were the same across their line of saws for particular time periods, i.e. a D-8 and a D-12 made the same year would generally have the same medallion. I say generally because they would use up the stock of older medallions on hand after they had made a change in the design of the medallion. The medallions are still, however, the most reliable way of determining the period in which the saw was made. The medallion on the D-8 identifies it as having been made around the turn of the century. That is, of course, if the medallion from the blade was not changed when the tote was replaced. Another way of checking the age is the etch. Before 1928 the etch show a large bold "D" with an "8" inside of the "D", after 1928 the etch shows "D-8".

The medallion on the D-12 indicates it was made in the period between WW I and WW II. The 12, D-12 and the 112 were the Cadillac of the Disston line. Though the steel on these seem to be of the same quality and content as others of the Disston line, more hand work was done on the 12's blades getting the tension of the metal just right so that the blades could be thinner over all than other models.

[shopmole]

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[Sawduster]

The etch on that one indicates it is a number 12, the earlier version of the D-12 which puts it prior to 1928 if I remember correctly. The D-8 was the first of their line to take on the "D" designation several years before that. I scooped a #12 on ebay for a very good price sometime back because the seller had listed it as a D-12 and no one look a close look at the photo of the etch, apparently, or it would have gone for somewhat more. The 112 is the swayback version of the 12 series. I don't recall when it was that Disston began making their own steel, but they did use steel from England before that.

[Sonny Edmonds]

"More money than sence...."
LMAO!

Our neighbors moved away two weeks ago. We were chatting out front and she said, "All we really know about the buyers is they have a lot of money, and soon it will be ours!"
Had to laugh at that simple logic. They moved to Austin, TX.
Sweet folks, the new ones are sweet as well. Youngsters, relitively speaking. :7

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[Sonny Edmonds]

You figure it out.
I split up the Bailey #5 & #7 with my BIL who is a Master in Oregon.
Be glad to trade any details about these for your restoration efforts.
As far as I know, these are all origional.

(MarC, I seem to be out of bandwidth on my webspace. So I'll eat up yours. LMAO! }> )

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[Sonny Edmonds]

Jerry,
Nope, the pictures aren't mixed. I did a close comparison of the 12 and the D8 medalins/handles. Distinctly different.
I suppose it is most highly likely that parts may have been interchange over the decades (century?) those oldies were in the Family.
I bearly knew my Grandfathers on both sides before they past away. And of course never met my Great-Grandfathers.
Here are the two (12 & 8) together. there are distinct differences in the "cock" of the medalins, but more noteworthy is the wheat carving in the wood. The carving on the 8 has more detail than the 12.
(Maybe the 8 was carved on a Wednesday, and the 12 on a Friday. :P )
These two were supposed to have come from my Mom's side of the Family.
Great-Grandpa Tuller.

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[Sonny Edmonds]

Jerry,
No belittlement taken, none at all my Friend.
You did make me curious enough to do some reserch about the No. 12 in particular.
It is a London Spring Extra Refined version and has warrented on it. Near as I can locate, they went from the LSS to Disston-made Steel between 1918 and 1922 catalogs.
The handle does appear to be of the later 20's style carving though.
Has 11 TPI, and 24" length.
And the etching looks like the picture below, under close examination with a magnifying glass.

The one I called an old D-8 appears it isn't a D-8 at all. But a No. 12 ripsaw. 8 TPI, Identical handel to the deffinate #12, but with finer carving. 26" length. Maybe older? First saw?
The D-8 of those era's have a completely different attachment layout.
The etching is to obscured for me to read on it. But due to what I did find out about the # 12, I'd be betting Grandpa Tuller bought the rip, and when he could afford it, got the crosscut later. Somewhere in the 'teens. (Because of the change from London to Disston steels in the early 20's.)

I should document this stuff so my grandkids aren't spending their lives wondering.

Thanks for the boot in the butt, Jerry. It is kinda fun wondering and trying to pinpoint this sort of stuff.
I refuse to get hairy knuckels though. LOL! I like my modern crap, even if it is God-awful noisey and dangerous.

Referances:
http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/12page.html
http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/d8page.html


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