rut-roh...

[ictoos]

Mine is gone too.

The new admins seem to be absentee and when they do show up, do the jackboot.

Perhaps my money needs to stay in my pocket Rockler if you're going to treat people dismissively.

Kerry

[WoodDrummer]

Ugh. I've been on other sites where the mods remove posts with no explanation. I don't spend any time there anymore.

[TDHofstetter]

YEP, THEY...oops, sorry. CapsLock. :) Yep, they're gone for me too. I'll try & hound 'em some - we all oughtta'. PMs don't seem to work for it, so it's email time.

EDIT: That'd be mailto:info@woodworking.com

EDIT: What in HECK kind of attachment is on my post here??? I didn't put it there!

-- Tim --


Member of the
Robert "Limey" Bolton Memorial
International
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Programme

[rrich]

Tim,
Not just a missing post but a missing attachment...

Was that your tag line that has been trashed? lost? missing?

[JoeLyddon]

Looks like ALL of the Moral chit THREADS have been deleted...

Who said lightning doesn't strike twice or three times in the same place?! :) :)

Have Fun!
Joe Lyddon
Alta Loma, CA.
www.WoodworkStuff.net
My Small Gallery:
http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500

[Cody Colston]

Obviously someone complained about the threads. Now, I wonder WHO that could have been? (and no, I'm not thinking of Kerry)

Someone obviously felt threatened or was offended (same thing) by the religious discussions. Not surprising.

Oh well, I was looking for a forum when I found this one. Too much of this and I'll opt for a change I can believe in! ;)

Cody
Tyler, TX


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[lacks focus]

>Obviously someone complained about the threads.

The thing that puzzles me is that those two threads in particular were some of the most civil (in tone) and educational (in content) that I've ever seen here, at least as far as religious and political discussions are concerned. There have been far, far worse ones that degenerated into name-calling and such, and those threads are probably still hanging around in the archives.

Oh, well.

Craig in Indy

[Cody Colston]

I think the religious discussion is the part someone had objections about. The fact that it WAS civil and educational only added impetus to the objections...whether they originated from here or from someone at Rockler.

If we had degenergated to calling each other right-wing, religious fanatics or left wing, Godless whackos, the threads would likely have stayed since the objector would have been happy to see the discord.

Satan (Lucifer, the Devil) is a powerful spirit being and insidious in his methods. A heated flame war with ill feelings and name calling is right up his alley. A civil discussion that could lead to someone accepting Christ enrages him.

Cody
Tyler, TX


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[arcticfox46]

VERY VERY true.

Point is - as much as political discussions are difficult - that is dim in the shadow of any sort of religeous discussion.

God is definately NOT a part of this country anymore.

ANY - discussion of our Supreme Creator will definately be attacked - with atomic weapons.

God is NOT at all accepted here - nor anwhere else.

Political discussions will be shot at with a bee bee gun.

God will be shot at with Atomic weapons.

YES - there certainly IS a war between the heavenlies and the secular world.

As far as how Rockler handles it - well - as I have posted - I do hope clearly - They have no interest in this place except as an advertising medium. They are NOT interested in YOU and ME.

[pgeer]

And that's a shame! I sometimes believe as a country that we have lost our way.

[maxwell_smart007]

I don't know who would complain to the forum administrators rather than post in the general forum...

I don't know enough about the forum backstory to know who you're referring to, Cody, but I wonder why they would complain in private rather than in public where everyone can see and perhaps learn why they were upset?

[Cody Colston]

I don't know enough about the forum backstory to know who you're referring to, Cody, but I wonder why they would complain in private rather than in public where everyone can see and perhaps learn why they were upset?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, Andrew. I hope so. But, there is precedent for it and I believe that is exactly what happened. As for why, well, see my previous post on this thread about "insidious." There's a popular expression, not in the Bible but often attributed to it, that says "God works in mysterious ways." Well, so does Satan.

Also, some people are not up front with their objections. It's a lot easier to shoot an e-mail to a faceless, nameless person at Rockler than it is to endure the alternative opinions of many here on the forum. Censorship, and the complainer who instigates it, is nearly always anonymous.

Cody
Tyler, TX


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[maxwell_smart007]

>It's a lot easier to shoot an e-mail to a faceless, nameless
>person at Rockler than it is to endure the alternative
>opinions of many here on the forum.

But a whole lot less fun! :D


Maybe the person in question will try to be a bit more open in the future, and chime in when they don't like a particular viewpoint or statement? That's the point of just-talking after all - it's for talking!

[Sawduster]

Andrew
Since the other thread went belly up or whatever, and in case you didn't get to read my last response to you, I included a recommendation to a book on a subject of mutual interest to us. Although, if I recall, you are more interested in pre-republic Rome, I believe you also may have mentioned some interest in Cicero. The book is Imperium by Robert Harris and, although it is historic "fiction", the author did a bunch of research and it is only fictional from the perspective of the personality he gives to Cicero and the off record conversations between characters. It is basically a biography of Cicero from before he entered service in Rome up to his election as consul.

[maxwell_smart007]

Thanks Jerry - I'm definitely in need of a good new book! That one sounds like it will fit the bill nicely.

Robert Harris...that name rings a bell. He didn't write "I, Claudius" did he?

Edit: Just came to me - he wrote Pompeii, which I read last year...very decent read...I, Claudius was Graves, right?

[Sawduster]

Yep, Pompeii was one of his earlier books. Pretty good. Haven't read I, Claudius. Have to look for that one.

Several books I've read lately have had reference to Dante's Inferno, so I'm revisiting it since I haven't tried to read it since high school.

[maxwell_smart007]

Dante was a very good read! It smacks very heavily of Virgil's Aeneid, when he describes Aeneas journey to Hades. I think that Dante's view of Hell was very much patterned on Virgil's Hades...it's been a long time since I've read either work, however.

If you're looking to find it, however, it's part of a larger work called the "Divine Comedy"...the inferno is sort of a sub-book within...

I read I, Claudius in university too - it was a very good book, but I read it in my first undergraduate year, before I had any knowledge about Roman history. It would be good to read it again from the viewpoint of a better-read individual.

Andrew

P.S. - I really need to re-read the Aeneid now that you've got me thinking about it...it has a very beautiful start:

I sing of warfare and a man at war.
From the sea-coast of Troy in early days
he came to Italy by destiny,
to our Lavinian western shore,
a fugitive, this captain, buffeted,
cruelly on land as on the sea
by blows of powers from the air – behind them
baleful Juno in her sleepless rage.
And cruel losses were his lot in war,
till he could found a city and bring home
his gods to Latium, land of the Latin race,
the Alban lords, and the high walls of Rome.

As far as poetry goes, this one is a good one for guys! :)

[Sawduster]

We've got a copy of Longfellow's translation of The Comedy (Dantes original title for the work) that the LOML picked up mostly for the beautiful artwork it includes, but I found a paperback copy of Ciardi's translation of just Inferno at the book store. Ciardi calls his a transposition instead of a translation as he duplicates in English the less elegant language of Dante's intentional lower Italian.

[lacks focus]

Trying to bring up Jerry's "have we come this far" thread, or Stretch's morals thread just now resulted in nothing more than the following error message. More threads gone missing?

Edit: Since posting this, I don't even see those threads listed anymore.

Craig in Indy