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[KnightJCK]

Man, your gonna like that extra space. So how big is it anyway?

Congrats,
Jon
"Don't need a tool twice!"

[Super Ry]

I think hte final came out to 20X30 The 20 is inside the garage. The brick columns take up some additional sq feet, but not much. I wish I had alternated the wire drops so outlets next to one another were on different breakers. I forgot about that while runnign hte wire and ended up with breaker 1 on one wall and breaker 2 on the other.

[BigDaddy]

Way to go! - you are going to love the space, i know i will mine :)

Subpanel looks very similar to mine ... mine's a siemens 125 amp load center wired for 50 amp ..

i did a big sketch for all of my outlets and circuits ... got 8 circuits ... got dedicated: ts (220 and 110), dc, compressor, jointer, planer, and then three more circuits going around ... everything is 20 amps ... no 15 amp circuits in the shop .. 12-2 wire, and 20 amp outlets ... gonna be a happy camper :)

electrician called and i'm on hold until wednesday for plug in :(

i've got the subpanel and wiring all done, only thing that electrician needs to do is wire in the main panel, and i want him to look everything over, i've never done an electrical job this big so want him to look at it and verify everything.

[LanceM]

I can't believe you really "worked" in the old space, where did you stand????

Looks great, but not big enough, of course never is :) I don't think I could ever have a shop that was too big or had too high of ceilings :)

Playing in the shop will take on a whole new meaning now, once you get it set up! Room to work, well at least until you fill that space up!

Lance

[mapleman]

i am no professional electrician, and i dont mean to be an a$$hole. BUT the way i am looking at your subpanel, you have 3 220V circuits on one side and all your 110s on the other. is that right? now normally, a panel is made so that you should balance each side - legs. could be yours is done right. perhaps one of our electricians here will drop in.
if you have an electrician friend - just check with him/her. my inlaws house was not wired right - one side was overloaded and it tripped the main breaker a few times.
just in the interest of safety, eh?

the rest of it looks great! bet you cant wait to get building eh?

later,
John "mapleman" Fairbairn III

http://
www.mapledalefarms.20fr.com/
index.html

"Me don't know, I justa build 'em"
:P

[nine thumbs]

Your electrician will probably have no problem with your arrangement of the 220 stuff. It makes no difference where they are plugged in on the panel, as they are two pole breakers. They draw power from both legs at the same time, so that is not a balance issue. The balance issue stems from the 120 volt stuff, and then mainly the circuits that draw almost constant current- like lighting, HVAC blowers, refrigerators, and so on. Since most shops are intermittent loads, there is usually not a problem with balancing. Just put the beer cooler and the lights on opposing legs!

Edit- Opposing legs will be the breakers plugged in under each other or straight across and down (or up) one space from each other.

EX: 1,3 oppose
1,2 same
1,4 oppose

Standard panel numbering (as looking at panel):

1 2
3 4
5 6
etc...

Crap, I want to edit again: Nice new space my man! I love to watch you guys build and rebuild, cause I can't afford to do it myself right now.

[fifo28]

Great Pics!! Great Room!!! I love the pic with the Dewalt Table Saw. I have the same saw and I love it (when I am not asking it to do more than it should)!!

Now comes the really fun part, set up shop!

[Super Ry]

Thanks all!! Lance - I know what you mean bout the time spent in the old place. Every time I went out there it took me about 40 minutes to get everything tucked away so I could use the place. If ya look closely at the second pic you'll see my DJ-20. Craked up my wwing buddies to see an 8" Jointer in a room that could only accomidate a 4 or 5 foot board to be joined :)

John - no worries at all, thanks for the concern :) I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense. The double pole were on oposing legs (one side hits the red main lead, the other hits the black). My single pole are all on the other side but I think that the amperage total from them is still not as much as the double pole side (if ya double the amps for 240??). I'm talken beyond my pea brains ability. Good news is that 2 different inspectors smiled at it (if I can make TWO different inspectors happy... Who says lightning can't strike the same place twice ;)

Anthony - you gotta be the only other 744 owner on this forum :) Great to know others are out there :)

[mapleman]

just a safety concern i had. i am glad i am wrong. some of these things are beyond my pea brain too.
but when you jump to 220V your amperage draw is half what it is at 110V because Amps times Volts equals Watts (A*V=W) if you double the voltage, you halve the amps.

later,
John "mapleman" Fairbairn III

http://
www.mapledalefarms.20fr.com/
index.html

"Me don't know, I justa build 'em"
:P

[Super Ry]

Well - Heres the entire process of the NEW SHOP. I took pics form Masonry to Drywall. I'll try and fit em on here - I might have to add a reply to thread - but I shrank all the pics down. The folks in the Pics are Dad and Brother. Gotta say a family like mine is a more than a BLESSING as they will come over for work like you see below :)

EDIT - Background. The old shop was a 8 X 14 storage room on the back of my detached carport. The carport has nice brick columns and a peaked roof. I added walls around the perimeter of the carport, then removed the old shop walls to have one nice big space.

Description lisitng
Old shop :) kinda cramped eh :)

Masonry: City said we need to elevate footers above ground level - so I got to deal with concrete (something I swore I'd never do again after the patio project :)) BUT I must say the mixer is a MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!

Framing: Learned ALOT from that!! Walls could be straighter - and I'll never again complain about builders NOT building straight walls :) One thing to note – because I had to add a block footer (I couldn’t find bonding blocks that were 4X4 – only 4X6 so I couldn’t frame a standard 2X4 wall – didn’t want to go to 2X6 so I added a double wall about ½ way up. Turned out to be one of the MOST useful shelves ever!!!! You can see it better in the finished shop pics

Sub Panel: 100 amps :) Need I say more :)

Insulation: We'll see come the AZ summers - but I did wire and frame for an AC unit - might have to spend the cash for that come May.

Drywall: Did that by myself - IT IS A 2 PERSON JOB

Outside - Had to show off the bricks that were there originally.

Finished shop: All the goodies are still getting polished up as I know have the room to do it. The table saw is first on the list.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!!! You all are invited over for the ribbon cutting next month :) Beer is one me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS - Dust collector is on its way and will live right next to the Compressor - that way they can yell at each other :)