Don't FLAME out on me! please.

[Glen]

The LAW

This is one of the better e-mails I have received in a long time! I hope
this makes its way around the USA several times over!!!!!
So Be IT!

THE LAW IS THE LAW

So if the US government determines that it is against the law for the words
"under God" to be on our money, then, so be it.

And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to
be used in or on a government installation, then, so be i t.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I
are in positions to make good decisions.

I would like to think that those people have the American public's best
interests at heart.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?

Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot post His
Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe the Government and its
employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which
honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of
American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday , Thanksgiving &
Easter. After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday,
Thanksgiving & Easter as well as Sundays. After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry
about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another
day.

I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all
government offices & amp; services would work on Christmas, Good Friday &
Easter. It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any
other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically
correct." In fact....

I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for
worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should
be just another day....
What do you all think????

If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop
giving in to the minority opinions and begin, once again, to represent the
'majority' of ALL of the American people.
SO BE IT....... ...

Please Dear Lord, Give us the help need ed to keep you in our country!
'Amen' and 'Amen'

These are definitely things I never thought about but from now on, I will be
sure to questions those in government who support these changes.

[Chris Moore]

where to begin? where to begin?

Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion

Chris Moore
West Palm Beach, FL

[Cody Colston]

Chris,

Glen stated once on this forum "I am not a praying man" so I don't think his post was meant to be about religion at all.

I think it was more a rant that "The Government" wants to have their cake and eat it, too. In this particular instance, it's catering to the "Take God Out of Everything" crowd while at the same time giving themselves excursions, days off and overtime pay for holidays related to that God.

I've had to work so many holidays that they are really just another day to me, too. Even having Sundays off is more a result of labor union efforts during the industrial revolution than any adherence to religious doctrine.

While I may be disappointed to see two hundred plus years of national tradition undermined by a relatively few vocal secular-progressives, it doesn't and never will affect my faith. That's a personal relationship that no man can dictate or take away.

As touching your statement, I'll add that freedom from religion does not mean abolishment of religion, either.

Cody
Tyler, TX

While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease

[DougB]

>
>Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion
>
>Chris Moore

Since when did belief in God belong to a specific religion? I believe in God, but I am certainly not a religious man. References to God do not offend nor scare me.

[Sonny Edmonds]

Amen! ;)

:D

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[Sonny Edmonds]

Oh, and Amen to that, too, Glen! ;)

:D

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[CajunRider]

It's interesting to note that VietNam, a communist country that does not officially recognize any religion whatsoever, calls Sunday as "Chua Nhat"

Chua = God
Nhat = Day

The officials have been questioned about the use of the term and their answer was: "That is the most recognized term to call that day of the week. Calling it otherwise is folly."

[Sawduster]

First off, if elected officials did away with all those religious oriented holidays and being off on Sunday, the very first phrase in the bill would exempt them from the law and from having to work those days, just as with so very many other laws they pass. But that is not a bad thing. I think maybe they need to give themselves more days off, the fewer days they're in session the less they can screw with the people.

Now, consider this. Religion is a set of beliefs based on faith. No set of science based facts are involved. By that definition, environmentalism is a religion. Man caused global warming is based on a theory that recordable average temperatures began rising subsequent to the outset of industrialization. It ignores the science of billions of years of geological proofs that the earth has gone through cycles of change, with absolutely no intervention by man. If there was science to back the theory, then there would be no disagreement within scientific circles. Ignored are changes in the sun's radiation. Ignored are basic facts such as the fact that many of the so-called greenhouse gasses are heavier than air and those emitted at ground level would not rise into the upper atmosphere. Remember Freon 12? The CFCs from that which were supposedly contributing to the greenhouse affect are heavier than air. So how were they getting into the upper atmosphere? BTW, there is evidence that the ice caps on Mars are shrinking due to changes in the temperature there, and I don't think many of us believe in Martians.

So, given these facts and many others, the simple if-then of the theory that global warming is caused by industrialization because the warming started subsequent to inustrialization is no more than a theory which is deposed by very many proveable facts. It is, therefore, based on faith and is a religion. Therefore, if we want a government free from religion, Environmentalism needs to be kept out of the government as well.

If they were really serious about their belief, why does that bible of earth saving, the Kyoto Treaty, exempt China and India from abiding by it? China is planning something in excess of 2200 new coal fired plants in the next decade, and has been making money by selling polution credits to Western European countries for several years, allowing the likes of Germany to continue producing so-called harmful refrigerants banned by the treaty.

[Glen]

I'm glad nobody has taken this as a religous bashing. The intent is merely to point out the hypocritical political ways WE, as a people, seem to permit our elected and self exalted ones get away with. On so many fronts. Let your contempt spew just play nice together - please.

Cody, I'm surprised you remember me saying I'm not a praying man. I hope this doesn't offend you. Be it know I'll spat on no mans religious convictions. For the record, I believe Jesus once walked this earth. A man with a gift of emense foresight. The commandments I believe to be a good basis by which to govern one's life. Where I usualy part with religous convention is that I believe the supreme entity looking out for us is none other than our very own conscience.
I also think that religion has played a big part in developing that part of our selves. I'll go further to say that the further we let ourselves drift from these values (not to be confused with religous"beliefs")the more convoluted, confused and troubled we become as a whole people. So, to parse my own words, I believe in the majority of common religous beliefs but believe the supreme being is our concience. If listening to my conscience is akin to praying then a clarification would be that I don't "pray to" but "pray for" us. Well I guess I'm a fence walker eh? Just don't call me a moderate by Rush Limbaugh's standards. LOL

Glen

[WoodMangler]

[font color ="blue"]... clearly state -[/font]

"Talk about anything and everything, but please try to avoid politics and religion. All have a right to their opinion here.

Take your cue from the following quote from "McCarthy's Bar" by Pete McCarthy:

"It was a long time since I'd had a conversation like that. A sharing of opinions, to be digested, rather than differences to be confronted."

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