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[CajunRider]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[JoeLyddon]

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[CajunRider]

About this story of robbery, if it were me I would gladly gave away my wallet and money if I see a reasonable chance of that the guy would let me go if I gave him all my money and things. But if he intend to take my lady's or my life, he'd better be prepared.

[stretch2187]

Who said we give our wackos permits? You have to pass a background check and take a class to even get a permit. In the class it is taught that carrying a gun in public is legal, but there are a very, very few instances where it is actually legal for a private citizen to use one. To get a concealed carry permit you already have to have proven yourself as a law-abiding citizen, then you receive extra education. It's not the people who have licenses and carry that scare me, it the people who don't and carry. The thing that is always overlooked when looking at gun crime statistics is who is committed the crime. People who support gun bans never seem to understand that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with guns that are already illegal being used by people who are already banned from owning a gun. Making new gun laws won't help this, we need to find ways to enforce the laws we already have.

[CajunRider]

Andrew,
If you do a quick search on concealed weapon permit you'd find all the details on how strict the law is. You'd also find that the law only allows the use of the weapon in very limited circumstance. Canada is blessed with a populace that is more peaceful and thus a low crime rate. The same laws that work in Canada may not work in the USA. I've dragged my heels all across the US and my past life brought me in contact with people from all walks of life, based on what I've seen, I'd venture to say that it would not work at all.

BTW, I also have many friends in Canada who do not share the same view as yours when it comes to gun control but as you said, the citizenry of a country should have a chance to decide and that's what important.

[maxwell_smart007]

>Took the words right out of my mouth.

Stats don't lie, and the rate of violent crimes in countries that do not allow their citizens to carry guns are way lower than in countries that do...

[maxwell_smart007]

>Andrew,
>If you do a quick search on concealed weapon permit you'd
>find all the details on how strict the law is. You'd also
>find that the law only allows the use of the weapon in very
>limited circumstance. Canada is blessed with a populace that
>is more peaceful and thus a low crime rate. The same laws
>that work in Canada may not work in the USA. I've dragged my
>heels all across the US and my past life brought me in
>contact with people from all walks of life, based on what
>I've seen, I'd venture to say that it would not work at all.
>
>BTW, I also have many friends in Canada who do not share the
>same view as yours when it comes to gun control but as you
>said, the citizenry of a country should have a chance to
>decide and that's what important.

I agree completely! I don't think our laws would work well down there...The US and Canada are very similar in many ways, and very different in others...

I also know many people who disagree with me; but then again, I know many who agree...we've had numerous votes on the issue of gun control, and the liberal majority has always won handily...

One thing I've noticed that's VERY different between here and there is that it's very EASY to find a place to buy a gun down there. Liquor also - there's a Liquor Barn and Guns Galore side-by-side on every street corner in many parts of the US...

The gun culture of the US means that it's quite probable that most of the people you meet at least own guns, if not carry them...up here, it's not likely the case.

In driving school, they told us "be very polite when you drive in the states; you're likely the only one not armed"...an exaggeration, definitely, but it shows the difference in attitudes.

Now I just want to clarify once more: I don't think the US should adopt our laws...I don't think our laws are any more right than yours...I don't think that the US is wrong to have a gun-promoting culture...All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be comfortable in it.

The question I have is WHY is Canada 'more peaceful' as CJR said? We have the same rough historical roots...but we went down very different paths after 1867...

[maxwell_smart007]

I agree, CJR! To everything you said there!

[stretch2187]

"The question I have is WHY is Canada 'more peaceful' as CJR said? We have the same rough historical roots...but we went down very different paths after 1867..."

I think there are a lot of things we can point our fingers at here. I would say a big one though is the sheer number of ethnic/minority groups that the U.S. has had that have experienced repression and/or limited economic opportunity. Whether you look at the history of Irish, Italian or other immigrants, blacks, hispanics or other groups the story seems to be the same. All these groups at one time flooded our urban areas and experienced extreme poverty. They all formed violent gangs. As one group started gaining social acceptance and moved up out of those conditions, the next would replace it. We've had a seemingly endless stream this. Every time a new group moves into the bottom rung of our society it repeats itself. The U.S. is a great mixing pot, and sometimes when you mix ingredients, you get strong reactions. No other industrialized country has had to deal with this on the scale that we have. Other countries are now starting to have to deal with it. It was in the news when I was in England last year. But we've had it going on almost since the beginning of our country every time a new wave of immigrants came over. Call it growing pains. It's a challenge that we have to continually strive to overcome.

[CajunRider]

A great thoughtful answer Mark. I can add to that my own experience. When a lot of my friends and I made it here. We just lost all our material things. Many of us lost members of the family. All of us were bitterly sad. Many of us are very experienced in true urban warfare. To be honest, we came here seeking for liberty and inside each one of us, there's a grenade with the pin already pulled.

Some how every single one of my friends became law abiding, tax paying citizens. However, I know there are some vicious gangs that were formed among our midst as well.