Contractor's table saw dust collection

**arcticfox46** · 11-13-2010, 02:00 PM

Saw - maybe you're a nice guy in real life - but you don't come off very nice in here. My posts here have all been in response to your postings. You post negatively and I will respond negatively. If you post friendly, I will post in like kind.

Sorry but I do not work for Rockler or for this forum in any way shape of form.

Trust me on this one -- if one of our former members were still here you would think my postings were all sugar coated. If fact - I really have not treated you all as badly as you perceive.

I have lots of friends here - met many of them in person as a matter of fact. Invited them into my home - had meals with them - yes I call them my friends.

Oh and yeah - try looking into my contributions in here in the archives - I have contributed so much here that you would call me a royal a$$hole, because I contributed so much, all for free. It's OK though - cause my candle still burns brightly.

BTW - my post was not a ridicule - it was a realization as to what your motive is here. If you perceive it as ridicule - that does not surprise me.

You are perceptive - yes Rockler does own this forum, and they have recently given the reigns to Woodworkers Journal magazine. Rockler owns Woodworkers Journal magazine.

If you don't want to be a contributor here - and be friendly - and post up about woodworking - if you don't want to teach - if you are expecting to get paid for everything -- why do you even bother to log in here????

By design - this is a public forum where people come to meet and to teach and share ideas -- you continuously resist that.

By definition that is an oxymoron.

Why do you post here --- I have deduced that you simply wish to push your wares. That is spamming!! We do not accept spamming here.

**hcbph** · 11-17-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by AdamFausch

Getting an invention to market is probably one of the most difficult things that there is to do.

Manufactures have to make a trade off between features and cost of product.

I do agree that table saws and Chop saws are some of the hardest to collect waste but many hobbiest roll their tablesaw out to their driveway when doing work so manufacturers may not think it is worth the cost.

But I wouldn't give up though.

To protect yourself you should be carefully documenting and dateing your ideas in a notebook with non-removable paper (no three ring binders) and maybe see if their are any patent attorneys in your area.

Amen to that. I tried the other year to go through the process to patent and license a overhead guard system I designed. You need deep pockets to go through the patent process and no guarantee that it will be produced or someone will want to license it to make it. Doesn't matter if it's good or not, there are alot of things that come into play and it's not easy for the little guy to compete.

I've been using one for a couple of years now on my own saw (and it works very well) and have sent plans to a number of people so they could make their own but not one bite on getting it commercially manufactured.

My thoughts.

Paul

**bmorto1504** · 11-17-2010, 06:52 PM

I understand a patent pending is better than the patent because people can't find out what part of the design you are requesting your patent to protect. If you have a patent it is very easy to know how to avoid problems if you are marketing a copy cat. But some countries really don't care if you have a patent or any legal protection of any kind.
bmorto

**FrankC** · 11-18-2010, 10:25 AM

In a lot of cases it is probably better to spend the time and effort promoting your product rather than worrying about having a patent on it, patents are often a greater source of revenue for the patent attorneys than the inventor. I would be more concerned about infringing on an existing patent.

**deepsplinter** · 09-06-2011, 05:29 PM

edit: Oh, never mind.

**SawSucker** · 07-25-2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by arcticfox46

Saw - maybe you're a nice guy in real life - but you don't come off very nice in here.

Oh and yeah - try looking into my contributions in here in the archives - I have contributed so much here that you would call me a royal a$$hole, because I contributed so much, all for free. It's OK though - cause my candle still burns brightly.

BTW - my post was not a ridicule - it was a realization as to what your motive is here. If you perceive it as ridicule - that does not surprise me.

If you don't want to be a contributor here - and be friendly - and post up about woodworking - if you don't want to teach - if you are expecting to get paid for everything -- why do you even bother to log in here????

By design - this is a public forum where people come to meet and to teach and share ideas -- you continuously resist that.

By definition that is an oxymoron.

Why do you post here --- I have deduced that you simply wish to push your wares. That is spamming!! We do not accept spamming here.

Yeah, I'm a nice guy, maybe too nice of a guy. What you probably don't realize is that not everyone is retired and does not need an income. I have been unemployed for awhile now, and in that downtime I have spent a very considerable amount of time on improving Dust Collection because I seen a need for it. If you think that any of this has been easy, guess again, now there is some slime ball in YouTube that took one of my ideas and is claiming that it's his, even after saying that he wasn't sure if it was his idea. These are the kind of things that turn me into not such a nice guy. Plus the fact that I've been struggling to stay afloat. If you can't respect my time and efforts, or think that I should be rewarded for it, then there is no reason for me to persue it here anylonger, and I will take my ideas and myself where they are more appreciated. To the rest of you that have shown some understanding and compassion, I thank you.

**SawSucker** · 07-25-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by SawSucker

Yeah, I'm a nice guy, maybe too nice of a guy. What you probably don't realize is that not everyone is retired and does not need an income. I have been unemployed for awhile now, and in that downtime I have spent a very considerable amount of time on improving Dust Collection because I seen a need for it. If you think that any of this has been easy, guess again, now there is some slime ball in YouTube that took one of my ideas and is claiming that it's his, even after saying that he wasn't sure if it was his idea. These are the kind of things that turn me into not such a nice guy. Plus the fact that I've been struggling to stay afloat. If you can't respect my time and efforts, or think that I shouldn't be rewarded for it, then there is no reason for me to persue it here anylonger, and I will take my ideas and myself where they are more appreciated. To the rest of you that have shown some understanding and compassion, I thank you.

Correction to my post : If you can't respect my time and efforts, or think that I should NOT be rewarded for it, then there is no reason for me to persue it here anylonger.

**FrankC** · 07-26-2012, 09:40 AM

Sawsucker, why are you so upset about such an old post?

**SawSucker** · 07-26-2012, 11:21 AM

Frank, I don't know. Like I said I guess, I have an unimaginable amount of time into dust collection on these types of saws because I got tired of the thick cloud of dust in my shop, especially in the winter time when the doors are shut and the forced air woodstove is on. Not only was it not healthy, but I was concerned about blowing the shop up. Plus I got tired of Cabinet saw salesmen in forums saying that dust collection on Contractor's saws was very poor. So I took the challenge and obviously spent more time on it then the saw manufacturers ever did in all the years that they made that type of saw, they eventually chose the easy route and just gave the saw a full cabinet and called them a Hybrid. I did not want to sell my American made saw for an imported Hybrid that in my opinion has been a marketing flop. So anyway, I strongly believe in what I've done, and am very frustrated as to why the woodworking retailers are still selling that poorly thought out cheap imported generic plastic shallow trayed table saw dust hood. And then when I get some of the resistance that I've gotten here, it frustrates me even more. And to tell you the truth, the whole experience after a few years of it has pretty much killed the passion that I once had for woodworking after 30 years. Obviously there is no way to make a liveing from it no matter what I do. I'm about wore out, I did the best that I could. Here it is, and more. https://sites.google.com/site/sawsuckerproject/home